My son liked this and wanted to share it with the masses:

And there’s this from Blake, some good old-fashioned legalism, guilt and shame:


7 thoughts on “Poser

  1. iggy says:

    The second clip has made the rounds as some endorsement for the “discernment” ministries, yet, here is a man wanting forgiveness, the woman starts to share about forgiveness and he wants to hear about hell? And in the midst of his tirade states he is trying to “find forgiveness”?
    The irony is that in all the uncertainty he had, the woman who still had comfort in spit of not having certainty, was showing him the way to forgiveness and he rejected it for hell…
    To me is it more disturbing as it shows how far from Grace the church (in the man) has gone. It has exchanged God’s grace for hell and guilt and “finding” forgiveness instead of accepting the forgiveness that was already given on the cross.
    I guess to some in the church Jesus died for nothing.

  2. Rick says:

    Yeah – I really liked her line about wanting the guilt more than the forgiveness. That alone “shoulda preached”, but it looked like it went the other way too fast. Been there done that.

  3. Blake says:

    Legalism, guilt, and shame? Where are you coming from on that?
    The guy was feeling some heavy emotions because he wrongly helped convict an innocent guy. The chaplain never said anything about confession or repentance. Never mentioned praying. Only that maybe his guilt is giving him a reason to “go on”? And then that maybe each person should individually find out what God wants.
    I sorta see her point. But then I sorta see where her statement seemed empty. I think more could be said and offered. And most deff w/o shame and guilt and legalism.

  4. Rick says:

    I just see it different. He came acros like Naaman, wondering why there wasn’t more he needed to do to appease God. I think she nailed it, that hs was holding onto his guilt because it’s easier to do that than to actually be forgiven. That’s all. My bad if I missed it.

  5. Blake says:

    No, I can see the Naman reference if he was looking for a hoop to jump through. But she didn’t offer anything about talking w/ God other than “seeing what God wants you to do” instead of looking at anything in Scripture. I could be wrong as well.

  6. Rick says:

    Hard to “offer” anything when you’re getting yelled at, isn’t it? Like I said, I think she did what you’re saying she didn’t do, and did it in a way that provoked a legalistic shame-and-guilt-based response. He closes himself off to everything she says when she doesn’t give what he thinks he should’ve been given – haven’t we all seen that before? And then he goes absurdium when confronted with what freedom might be – “so people can do whatever they want…?!?” I think she hung in there as long as she could.

  7. iggy says:

    The saddest thing is that I have witnessed to drug addicts who once I told them the love of God for them and that they are forgiven and need to walk in that forgiveness by faith, cannot accept it and still seek to do “works” to please God. They are in bondage to a performance based faith and not walking in true faith. Instead of accepting the kindness of God that leads to repentance, they seek out the condemnation by the Law… and think that in some way that will appease their guilt. They stumble over the stumbling stone that Paul speaks of in Romans 9.
    I agree he was in heavy guilt. Yet, instead of holding to it and being too prideful to let it go, demanded to hear the message that condemns man, yet rejects the message of salvation through the forgiveness by Grace and mercy in Christ Jesus.
    It remind me of 2 Cor 3: 7- 12. Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? If the ministry that condemns men is glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. And if what was fading away came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts! Therefore, since we have such a hope, we are very bold.
    Be blessed,

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